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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Stormtrooper934 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:41 am

Bzzit wrote:
Stormtrooper934 wrote: I feel like they ruined some of the character personalities. They made Rayman as dumb as Globox, they made Betilla into a fan service character, and why is the magician a teensie!
I'm fine with the magician being a Teensie. I just wish they retained more of his notable traits, such as his scepter, golden locks, and concealed eyes.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Bradandez » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:34 am

Betilla Fanservice? How's that a problem?
Rayman and Globox being silly? Seems perfectly fine for how the UbiArt series is stylized, and come to think about it, the Rayman series has always been silly.

I don't see the lack of story as a bad thing. In fact, it lets the player to make up their own. Unless you don't have a single ounce of imagination. Then, you're out of luck. But this does bring up a very good opportunity, the UbiArt Rayman style would make a great cartoon. I would love to see something along the lines of Wander Over Yonder, a perfectly animated wacky show that has a lot of heart and laughs.

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Sabertooth » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:39 am

Carrot-master wrote:Still, the games are really fun the play and for the type of games they are I actually don't think a story is necessary.
A story is never necessary. It's just a bit of extra flavor that can make a game that much more charming and personal, and a huge part of the appeal of R2 and R3 to this day. Rayman Origins chose to exclude this, and in doing so, eliminated an entire dimension of charisma from the final product.
Bradandez wrote:Rayman and Globox being silly? Seems perfectly fine for how the UbiArt series is stylized, and come to think about it, the Rayman series has always been silly.
When every character is silly, nobody is. The UbiArt games would have a lot more comic potential if Rayman and Globox actually had personalities to contrast with each other. Same with Barbara, though I fear she would simply be the "badass girl who's better than the guys at everything" cliché.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Hunchman801 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:52 pm

Bradandez wrote:Rayman and Globox being silly? Seems perfectly fine for how the UbiArt series is stylized, and come to think about it, the Rayman series has always been silly.
Despite the lack of depth of their scenarios, I wouldn't call Rayman or Rayman 2 silly. Especially the latter.

As for Rayman 3, there was another dimension to the humour in the game: while a kid would laugh at a drunk Globox flying in the air and a blabbering Murfy, an older player would find more funny the former's remarks on his state of intoxication or the latter's sexual innuendos.

Origins and Legends, on the other hand, are just plain silly, a lot more than any other Rayman game, and there's no magic, scenario or adult themes to add depth to it.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by incognito » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:54 pm

Hunchman801 wrote:As for Rayman 3, there was another dimension to the humour in the game: while a kid would laugh at a drunk Globox flying in the air and a blabbering Murfy, an older player would find more funny the former's remarks on his state of intoxication or the latter's sexual innuendos.
Heh, I recall André saying "missed again, hope you're better with girls". :lol:
The humor in Rayman 3 was perfect, humor in games today is so rare.

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Haruka » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:03 pm

Master wrote:To be honest, I think both Rayman 1 and 2 shouldn't simply be touched up. Both games were great in their time, but their age shows in some areas.
The same circumstances applied to Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee and yet that did not prevent a (loyal) remake to happen. I also am one of those people that still think that the original game is still as enjoyable today to play as it was back in 1997 despite of its noticibly dated graphism. I know I am telling this for the nth time but I really believe a Rayman 1 remade in the same treatment as NNT would be a sweet treat for the veterans like many of us. And by remaking the game I am not necessairly asking to be made with the current engine.

As for a completely new title, I would totally love to a explore an open world of Glade of Dreams. That would feel like a dream (No pun intended)! And please, but please bring a story with depth. We need that back. And please not making Rayman as a Globox Number 2. Thank you for your understanding.

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Bradandez » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:58 pm

Sabertooth1000000000 wrote:Same with Barbara, though I fear she would simply be the "badass girl who's better than the guys at everything" cliché.
I fear for that too. I would not like that at all for it has been done to death and then have its dead body beaten with a bat until it's nothing more than a gooey, red pulp. I'd rather if she thinks she was better than everyone else, but is easily just as clumsy. Rayman can have that laid back attitude personality who loves going on adventures on adventures to save the Glade but still have fun doing it.
Hunchman801 wrote:Despite the lack of depth of their scenarios, I wouldn't call Rayman or Rayman 2 silly. Especially the latter. Origins and Legends, on the other hand, are just plain silly, a lot more than any other Rayman game, and there's no magic, scenario or adult themes to add depth to it.
Rayman 1. Not silly? You mean the game that has several bug eyed enemies that fly off the screen When defeated which is also accompanied with a slide whistle sound effect? The last world in which the main antagonist, along with many enemies that are effin' CLOWNS, reside in is a land made nothing of sweets? That's not silly? What are going to tell me next? The sky isn't blue? Donald Trump isn't a Mexican hating dumbass? Also, Rayman 2 was indeed silly. Not as much as others but it did have its moments, especially when recalling the parts with Razordbeard and his Spyglass Robot lackey.

Origins/Legends having no magic? Gee, I guess a desert made of wind instruments and drums, glaciers of cocktails and frozen delights, infernal underground Mexican kitchens, a mechanical steampunk-empire in the sky, beanstalks that lead into the skies in which toads live in, a enteral fiesta for the dead filled with sweets and spices, a underwater fortress, and the freaking majority of Greek mythology isn't magical? Well I can see why. Those are all of the norm here in the real world of course! Noting out of the ordinary. Fairy Tales? Yup, those are 100% real when compared to Rayman. And do you really need to have adult themes for your humor? I love it as much as the next guy, but light hearted humor is good enough for me. Oi, and if you're looking for adult themes in the recent games, ya just need to play Origins. :lol:

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Rayfist » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:53 pm

You missed his point. He was saying in comparison to Origins and Legends, it was far LESS silly. Origins and Legends are just flat out silly, and they both have hardly much to offer outside of that.

While I appreciate what the two titles did, (and we've had this argument before), I think what Origins/Legends lacks is offering anything new to the table that other platformers weren't. While Rayman 1-3 all felt like really "rich" and comfy experiences, Origins and Legends (While still fun and great games), came across as something made by a small team and sort of just taking what the NSMB games were doing without really differentiating itself. There's a reason why a lot of us love the original trilogy, it did so many things different than other platformers, even expanded upon some ideas. There are clearly reasons why people are still begging for a new 3D platformer Rayman title.
Sabertooth wrote:A story is never necessary. It's just a bit of extra flavor that can make a game that much more charming and personal, and a huge part of the appeal of R2 and R3 to this day. Rayman Origins chose to exclude this, and in doing so, eliminated an entire dimension of charisma from the final product.
Very true, as proven with R1's lack of story. However when R2 and 3 came along we clearly began to love the world of Rayman, actually wanting a story. We're not expecting anything extremely in-depth, but Rayman's world itself is most likely what made me the huge fan of the original trilogy I am now.
Saying something like "just use your imagination" is no excuse. Especially when the original plan for Origins was to have more of a story.

The lack of any story in Origins and Legends is one of its biggest downfalls, even the Crash Bandicoot games manage to have more story to it, and those games are often all out fucking goofy.

As proven from titles such as Beyond Good and Evil, Ancel is excellent at story telling. To see his creative efforts sort of ditch this is... a little upsetting to say the least.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Dart » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:58 am

In regards to Origins, I do not think that any additional story was really necessary. Sure the story is a bit bare bones by modern standards, but it carries a more retro feel by keeping it minimal. In fact I'd argue that since the plot wasn't as present it highlights each and every plot-related moment. Free a fairy? Cue the WTF cutscene. Meet the Fakirs? Punch 'em (Or glitch them between walls in the wii version :hinhin: )! The Magician's dancing? Freaking hilarious, gets me every time. If they shoved a bunch of plot on me, I doubt I'd remember as much about it, same with Rayman 1 or Legends.
While Rayman 1-3 all felt like really "rich" and comfy experiences, Origins and Legends (While still fun and great games), came across as something made by a small team and sort of just taking what the NSMB games were doing without really differentiating itself.
I don't agree. NSMB games look/feel like unpolished bull, especially in it's multiplayer. The Ubiart Rayman's (while replicating the basics of NSMB and Super Meat Boy) don't pretend that lives and one-ups are relevant anymore, have amazing water levels, as well as a functioning multiplayer experience. NSMB had none of that. It did however have things like collectibles that feel valueless, a forgettable soundtrack, and a great concept ruined by 3 largely inferior sequels. :?
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Stormtrooper934 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:58 am

Rayfist wrote:You missed his point. He was saying in comparison to Origins and Legends, it was far LESS silly. Origins and Legends are just flat out silly, and they both have hardly much to offer outside of that.

While I appreciate what the two titles did, (and we've had this argument before), I think what Origins/Legends lacks is offering anything new to the table that other platformers weren't. While Rayman 1-3 all felt like really "rich" and comfy experiences, Origins and Legends (While still fun and great games), came across as something made by a small team and sort of just taking what the NSMB games were doing without really differentiating itself. There's a reason why a lot of us love the original trilogy, it did so many things different than other platformers, even expanded upon some ideas. There are clearly reasons why people are still begging for a new 3D platformer Rayman title.
Sabertooth wrote:A story is never necessary. It's just a bit of extra flavor that can make a game that much more charming and personal, and a huge part of the appeal of R2 and R3 to this day. Rayman Origins chose to exclude this, and in doing so, eliminated an entire dimension of charisma from the final product.
Very true, as proven with R1's lack of story. However when R2 and 3 came along we clearly began to love the world of Rayman, actually wanting a story. We're not expecting anything extremely in-depth, but Rayman's world itself is most likely what made me the huge fan of the original trilogy I am now.
Saying something like "just use your imagination" is no excuse. Especially when the original plan for Origins was to have more of a story.

The lack of any story in Origins and Legends is one of its biggest downfalls, even the Crash Bandicoot games manage to have more story to it, and those games are often all out fucking goofy.

As proven from titles such as Beyond Good and Evil, Ancel is excellent at story telling. To see his creative efforts sort of ditch this is... a little upsetting to say the least.
The characters in 2, and 3 felt more developed. I have no clue why Barbara is so famous. We know nothing about her unlike characters like Ly The Fairy. Ancel probably added her to get more people into Rayman. Razorbeard felt like a truly evil villain. He enslaved the entire glade. Andre was the more comedic villain, but still felt like a developed villain. The Magician is about as generic as a villain can get.

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Dart » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:36 am

And "Mr.Dark" and his "Exactly What It Says on the Tin" henchman aren't? I really feel that the charm of the 2D rayman games IS that they're simple, and from that simplicity you're able to focus on having fun and enjoying the gameplay. If the 2D games were as narratively complex as the 3D ones, it'd detract from the aesthetic of the games because it doesn't match their pacing.

That's not to say that I don't want complex storys in a rayman game, after all R3 IS my favorite game of all time. It's just that the 3D Rayman's are better off being the more story driven titles due to the larger budget and style of platforming while the 2D title's should focus on silly/cute humor and more seamless gameplay.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Bradandez » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:24 am

lol, Rayman 1 being less silly than Origns and Legends? Now that's a real laugh! What is RPC Comedy Hour? If only I didn't have work right now, I would go into detail why most of your guys' arguments are bull. I'll probably do it tomorrow.

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Stormtrooper934 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:24 pm

Bradandez wrote:lol, Rayman 1 being less silly than Origns and Legends? Now that's a real laugh! What is RPC Comedy Hour? If only I didn't have work right now, I would go into detail why most of your guys' arguments are bull. I'll probably do it tomorrow.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Bzzit » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:12 pm

Stormtrooper934 wrote:
Bradandez wrote:lol, Rayman 1 being less silly than Origns and Legends? Now that's a real laugh! What is RPC Comedy Hour? If only I didn't have work right now, I would go into detail why most of your guys' arguments are bull. I'll probably do it tomorrow.
The scuba gear drums.
http://www.fearof.net/fear-of-water-phobia-aquaphobia/

That's actually the most serious aspect of the Rayman series. The drum has aquaphobia - the fear of drowning. Imagine living in a world where a flood can spontaneously rise from the bottom of the screen.. Sound fun? Thought not. This poor guy lost his family to the infamous flood, seen in the first screen of the Swamps of Forgetfulness. Due to this horrific childhood trauma, he will not part from his scuba gear, living every waking moment in fear of a potential flood in Band Land. This is what us old-school fans miss: dark, unadulterated seriousness, which is only present in the original trilogy.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Sabertooth » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:35 pm

Bzzit wrote: That's actually the most serious aspect of the Rayman series. The drum has aquaphobia - the fear of drowning. Imagine living in a world where a flood can spontaneously rise from the bottom of the screen.. Sound fun? Thought not. This poor guy lost his family to the infamous flood, seen in the first screen of the Swamps of Forgetfulness. Due to this horrific childhood trauma, he will not part from his scuba gear, living every waking moment in fear of a potential flood in Band Land. This is what us old-school fans miss: dark, unadulterated seriousness, which is only present in the original trilogy.
The forum needs more posts like these.
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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Bradandez » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:41 pm

Bzzit wrote:
Stormtrooper934 wrote:
Bradandez wrote:lol, Rayman 1 being less silly than Origns and Legends? Now that's a real laugh! What is RPC Comedy Hour? If only I didn't have work right now, I would go into detail why most of your guys' arguments are bull. I'll probably do it tomorrow.
The scuba gear drums.
http://www.fearof.net/fear-of-water-phobia-aquaphobia/

That's actually the most serious aspect of the Rayman series. The drum has aquaphobia - the fear of drowning. Imagine living in a world where a flood can spontaneously rise from the bottom of the screen.. Sound fun? Thought not. This poor guy lost his family to the infamous flood, seen in the first screen of the Swamps of Forgetfulness. Due to this horrific childhood trauma, he will not part from his scuba gear, living every waking moment in fear of a potential flood in Band Land. This is what us old-school fans miss: dark, unadulterated seriousness, which is only present in the original trilogy.
What a fucking dork. I'll push this dweeb into water myself.

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by anaphasiia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:41 am

Bradandez wrote:Rayman 1. Not silly? You mean the game that has several bug eyed enemies that fly off the screen When defeated which is also accompanied with a slide whistle sound effect? The last world in which the main antagonist, along with many enemies that are effin' CLOWNS, reside in is a land made nothing of sweets? That's not silly? What are going to tell me next? The sky isn't blue? Donald Trump isn't a Mexican hating dumbass? Also, Rayman 2 was indeed silly. Not as much as others but it did have its moments, especially when recalling the parts with Razordbeard and his Spyglass Robot lackey

.Origins/Legends having no magic? Gee, I guess a desert made of wind instruments and drums, glaciers of cocktails and frozen delights, infernal underground Mexican kitchens, a mechanical steampunk-empire in the sky, beanstalks that lead into the skies in which toads live in, a enteral fiesta for the dead filled with sweets and spices, a underwater fortress, and the freaking majority of Greek mythology isn't magical? Well I can see why. Those are all of the norm here in the real world of course! Noting out of the ordinary. Fairy Tales? Yup, those are 100% real when compared to Rayman. And do you really need to have adult themes for your humor? I love it as much as the next guy, but light hearted humor is good enough for me. Oi, and if you're looking for adult themes in the recent games, ya just need to play Origins. :lol:
You're confused between comic relief and an over-all silly presentation. Yes, Rayman 1 has googly-eyed enemies and cartoon sound effects, and yes Rayman 2's Lunette is goofy, but that isn't the primary presentation. In Rayman 1, the atmosphere is very storybook/mystical/fantastical with a cartoon edge. The characters aren't looking dumb or too exaggerated, they have believable expressions. The music is in all places besides Candy Chateau (which, yes, it's supposed to be very silly, but the silliness actually has an in-universe reason) is more serene and focused on atmosphere than Origins. In Rayman 2, Lunette's goofiness is always behind Razorbeard's legitimately menacing theme music, not making the scene itself silly, but giving comic relief. If Origins did it, it would probably be "goofy sinister mad scientist evil genius" music in the background. Also look at a lot of enemies from Rayman 1 redesigned in Origins (Hunters and Lividstones), they look way, way dumber/sillier. At worst, some Rayman 1 enemies, like the tall Livingstones, just looked tired of their job/lazy, but not dumb/silly.

Indeed, Origins has legitimate magical/serene parts, but they are not common, they are once in a while for no longer than a few areas. Contrast this to Rayman 1/2 where silliness, whenever it arises, is always offset by serene music or atmosphere, and that for some worlds, silliness is almost entirely absent (like the Caves of Skops). Rayman 1/2 compared to Origins/Legends have very different presentations, and if you insist saying they are both "wacky" or "silly", you would have to understand they are very different kinds of wacky/silly (but I would say while those are apt words to describe Origins/Legends, they are very poor for Rayman 1/2).

Origins giving a silly presentation isn't a bad thing, it's a style, but it is a fact. I notice a running theme for you Brad: Your arguments are dissonant with each other. Sometimes you look at aesthetics and don't look at overall result, sometimes you look at the result and not aesthetics. For the argument in Off Topic, you say "The individual things it took to get here don't matter, the result is I behave now". But, here, you say "The individual things (Origins/Legends have a desert of wind instruments, beanstalks that lead into the skies which toads live in) are the only relevant things - they are staples of magic/fantasy, therefore the game is magical - how they all fit together, the result they create is not relevant". Really, is the tonal difference between Rayman 1/2 and Origins not distinct for you? You know it is, you just like placing anything people think are faults of your favourite game back onto their favourite game, saying outrageous comparisons that a child could poke holes in.

dartofthedavros wrote:In regards to Origins, I do not think that any additional story was really necessary.
The reason I think most people have issue with Origins' story is because there was a story, then it was stripped, but the game didn't change when it was. There are remaining parts of an epic, but the in-between stuff was cut out. For being so simple, Origins' plot (or lack thereof) draws a lot of attention because the world, the entire game was built around an epic story, and then it was cut out. It feels like it's missing a story, because it is.
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Post by Sabertooth » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:27 am

Boy do I love it when others vocalize my own opinions that I could never successfully convey.
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Post by spiraldoor » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:00 am

Bradandez wrote:Rayman 1. Not silly? You mean the game that has several bug eyed enemies that fly off the screen When defeated which is also accompanied with a slide whistle sound effect? The last world in which the main antagonist, along with many enemies that are effin' CLOWNS, reside in is a land made nothing of sweets? That's not silly? What are going to tell me next? The sky isn't blue? Donald Trump isn't a Mexican hating dumbass? Also, Rayman 2 was indeed silly. Not as much as others but it did have its moments, especially when recalling the parts with Razordbeard and his Spyglass Robot lackey.

Origins/Legends having no magic? Gee, I guess a desert made of wind instruments and drums, glaciers of cocktails and frozen delights, infernal underground Mexican kitchens, a mechanical steampunk-empire in the sky, beanstalks that lead into the skies in which toads live in, a enteral fiesta for the dead filled with sweets and spices, a underwater fortress, and the freaking majority of Greek mythology isn't magical? Well I can see why. Those are all of the norm here in the real world of course! Noting out of the ordinary. Fairy Tales? Yup, those are 100% real when compared to Rayman. And do you really need to have adult themes for your humor? I love it as much as the next guy, but light hearted humor is good enough for me. Oi, and if you're looking for adult themes in the recent games, ya just need to play Origins. :lol:
Here you're conflating two very different interpretations of the word "silly". It's not hard to make specific elements of Origins's setting sound wondrous and majestic if you strip them of their context and phrase them nicely, but a quick glance at any gameplay video is enough to remind anyone that such details are just one small part of a complex, borderline-alchemical process. While conceptually promising, a level like Gourmand Land would have to make far more effective use of subdued artwork and immersive soundscapes (not to mention a different pace of gameplay) if it wants to attain the unforgettable atmosphere of (for instance) the Caves of Skops.

Is Candy Château silly? Well, yeah. But it's also positioned within the game in such a way that its garish nature becomes an effectively unnerving setting for a climactic stage. Consciously or not, it evokes the logic of Hansel and Gretel – the logic of the Brothers Grimm and their cautionary fables. The environment's contrast with Mr Dark, who is played completely straight and without a trace of humour, is also very clever – it's the Lich done twenty years before Adventure Time. And I still feel just the tiniest hint of a chill when I recall the ambient soundtrack of Dark Rayman's level, and try to imagine what the source of its off-screen laughter might be.

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Re: I Love Rayman Fan video contest via Ubi

Post by Dart » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:38 am

anaphasiia wrote:
dartofthedavros wrote:In regards to Origins, I do not think that any additional story was really necessary.
The reason I think most people have issue with Origins' story is because there was a story, then it was stripped, but the game didn't change when it was. There are remaining parts of an epic, but the in-between stuff was cut out. For being so simple, Origins' plot (or lack thereof) draws a lot of attention because the world, the entire game was built around an epic story, and then it was cut out. It feels like it's missing a story, because it is.
I could see how it would be upsetting, especially if you weren't obsessively looking into Origins developement like I was. :fou:
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Bradandez wrote:Rayman 1. Not silly? You mean the game that has several bug eyed enemies that fly off the screen When defeated which is also accompanied with a slide whistle sound effect? The last world in which the main antagonist, along with many enemies that are effin' CLOWNS, reside in is a land made nothing of sweets? That's not silly? What are going to tell me next? The sky isn't blue? Donald Trump isn't a Mexican hating dumbass? Also, Rayman 2 was indeed silly. Not as much as others but it did have its moments, especially when recalling the parts with Razordbeard and his Spyglass Robot lackey.

Origins/Legends having no magic? Gee, I guess a desert made of wind instruments and drums, glaciers of cocktails and frozen delights, infernal underground Mexican kitchens, a mechanical steampunk-empire in the sky, beanstalks that lead into the skies in which toads live in, a enteral fiesta for the dead filled with sweets and spices, a underwater fortress, and the freaking majority of Greek mythology isn't magical? Well I can see why. Those are all of the norm here in the real world of course! Noting out of the ordinary. Fairy Tales? Yup, those are 100% real when compared to Rayman. And do you really need to have adult themes for your humor? I love it as much as the next guy, but light hearted humor is good enough for me. Oi, and if you're looking for adult themes in the recent games, ya just need to play Origins. :lol:
Here you're conflating two very different interpretations of the word "silly". It's not hard to make specific elements of Origins's setting sound wondrous and majestic if you strip them of their context and phrase them nicely, but a quick glance at any gameplay video is enough to remind anyone that such details are just one small part of a complex, borderline-alchemical process. While conceptually promising, a level like Gourmand Land would have to make far more effective use of subdued artwork and immersive soundscapes (not to mention a different pace of gameplay) if it wants to attain the unforgettable atmosphere of (for instance) the Caves of Skops.
TBH I don't find either of those worlds to be memorable experiences in gameplay or design; except for "Eat At Joe's" and that's not for any good reasons.

You could say that R1 is silly in a cute and charming sort of way while Origins/Legends are silly in a goofy and comedic sort of way. For example a silly thing in R1 like Tarzan losing his toga or the Electoons cheery atittude aren't the same silly as in Origins when you're pushing your friends over the cliffs or beating up The Red Hot Chile Peppers in a food world. One's meant to be funny, the other more endearing.
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