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Re: Linux

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I heard of it. While I am pretty familiar with the command line, (not an expert but I use it as music player, download my apps, used it as my storage manager, and other tasks.) I rather use a graphic user interface. Bodhi Linux is a more modern Distro and is pretty small to install compared to other distro's with similar graphics (I think my last install was just 800 mb). I like it because it doesnt demand much from your pc in general it's usually the apps that do with regards to storage, ram and cpu.
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Re: Linux

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I have been messing around just testing Linux and whatever I done with the old AMD card, I managed to get Origins to run stutter free. I got the new AMD GPU and then couldn't get gallium nine working, so I just reinstalled Mint to try it. Gallium nine works now but the stutters are back and I can't remember what I done to fix it last time.

I'm using the mesa drivers and Wine staging. The only reason I'm fixating on this game is because if a 2D game is going to stutter/hitch like that, then imagine what a 3D one is going to perform like with this issue.
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Re: Linux

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If you have Rayman Origins from Steam, I heard that Valve was introducing a way that you can play some Windows games straight through Steam but it's in beta.
I found that the PlayOnLinux app (which works with Wine, can play most WIndows games flawlessly, if your pc is capable of said game, not all games will work but I think Rayman Origins would work straight away through PlayOnLinux, I haven't tried Origins on Linux so maybe it won't work as well.
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Re: Linux

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Yeah I was trying it out earlier, it's called proton and it seems to work fairly well, but I'm just having general stuttering issues with my computer for some reason on Linux. I assume it's a driver fault and maybe something to do with the kernel. I've tried Mint and Ubuntu.

Whatever it is, I had it working but had other issues then and after reinstalling Mint, I can't seem to solve it again as of yet.
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Re: Linux

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I doubt Proton has the right patches to fix the "long sprites".
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Re: Linux

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The only thing I could do for that is use gallium nine. There's protontricks but I still don't think that would utilise gallium. I also only own Origins on Uplay and GoG :fou2:

I'll just use Mint again and see if I can get Origins to stop stuttering (or hitching). I'm not sure why it's doing it and I already tried switching directdraw from opengl to gdi. That worked before but it didn't seem to solve whatever was causing it to stutter earlier.
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Re: Linux

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OK so I ended up using the Padoka PPA for Mesa and then for some reason the stuttering vanished. Origins works now apart from some small problems and the sound issue present in the later kernel for whatever reason.

So anyway I started messing about with Rayman 3. To get Better Rayman 3 to load, all you have to do is add Rayman3.exe to the list in Wine configuration and in libraries, just type d3d8 and leave it on native, builtin.

It will load and cutscenes will play, but there's graphical glitches on the HUD when I get a little bit into part 2 on The Fairy Council. Maybe we could look into it, but for now it at least loads and it's a start.
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Re: Linux

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That simple, huh? In that case, maybe the wide-screen hack for BG&E could work fairly easily too. Thanks Steo, I'll definitely give it a try!
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Re: Linux

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You're welcome. It's also worth mentioning that it was crashing on me with a certain version of wine. I can't remember if it was esync or the latest staging. I guess the graphical glitches are another story.

I also got Origins to run smoothly enough but I'll have to mess about and try an older kernel to see if it fixes the sound. It's kind of odd to me how the sound driver in the new kernel would cause that issue.
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Re: Linux

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I've got an update actually – a Proton 3.16 beta is out, and it fixes the Uplay logon issue. However, Uplay doesn't understand the Steam integration via Proton, so it starts prompting to install (the Windows version of) Steam. Thus, for now, Rayman Legends (or any other game with this dual-DRM arrangement) still needs to be installed the "traditional" way, in a Wineprefix containing both Steam and Uplay.
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Re: Linux

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Ah yeah I get what you mean, that would be a giant pain in the arse, though I guess it should be fine having both in the same prefix.

OpenGL shaders seem to be much better in Linux on Mesa than they are when using the actual AMD drivers (even in Windows). I'm guessing the juddering I get is probably a side effect of Wine and I'm just more sensitive to the issue than others, but it's not present in Windows on a GTX 970.

I was running that Cemu emulator and it's literally just unplayable on Windows using AMD because the driver performs so bad on GL shaders. It literally just keeps pausing and stuttering very heavily, but in Linux it runs at a really high framerate only it has the slight juddering thing going on. As expected, it runs perfect on Nvidia under Windows. I bought a Vega 64 though and that's what I intend to use :mrgreen:
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Re: Linux

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Windows does have better compatibility with games but games do typically run better on Linux (when they work) so it might be a driver issue. Is the resolution setting within the game different on Linux then it is on your Windows by any chance? Have you tried playing Rayman Origins through PlayOnLinux? PlayOnLinux is a Linux app that makes the whole process of playing Windows games on Linux so much easier. PlayOnLinux technically is Wine but it does all the complicated stuff for you and all you do is boot up the game and maybe it'l have you create a few things (for each windows program) but it guides you step by step to make sure it is set right. The kernel doesn't affect game performance. The hardware and the program (Wine.) affect the game performance. I did get Rayman Raving Rabids pc version to work perfectly one one time, all I did was install steam, (windows version) downloaded the game from there and I ran the game through PlayOnLinux. I had a duel boot at the time and it did actually run much better on Linux then Windows 10 on my laptop. I did it with Bodhi Linux Distro but any Distro should work but if you need a softer gui os Bodhi Linux might be the one to get your game to run best due to it's very lightweightness. (unless you want to go command line controlled os.)
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Re: Linux

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I was using Lutris which is basically the same thing really. Origins has some missing sprites without gallium nine. That valve proton thing is a massive step forward for gaming on Linux though, I'd imagine it's just going to get better and better.

The little performance hitches make no sense to me considering Linux is lighter than Windows also. It has to just be the fact that they're non native games or something simple that I was missing.
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Re: Linux

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Do you have all the drivers for your graphic cards and sound cards installed, you might have enough to have them working but are they the latest drivers and do you have all the drivers.
Try this. Open up a terminal, and type in the following without the quotes:
"sudo apt-get update", and "sudo apt-get upgrade
(which will make sure all your software is updated, including what you have installed and the Linux os. It doesn't affect drivers but maybe this would help you with the problem.)
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Re: Linux

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Oh yeah I have done all of that stuff and used a PPA for the latest Mesa drivers. I even ran "glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"" to check after the upgrade command and it returned that I was using Mesa 18.3.0-devel. I'm not entirely sure why it happens, but my brothers seems the same even with the Nvidia propriety driver on his GTX 1070 Ti.
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Re: Linux

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Are you running the game with steam (or whatever service) or are you running the game directly?
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Re: Linux

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Portal on steam seems to run better fairly well and so did Tomb Raider. Both of those seem to have Linux versions. There's still some hitches that wouldn't be present in Windows so I've just been wondering why those might happen. GTA V isn't on the whitelist so that's fair enough that it doesn't work very well, but even the Cemu emulator can run without graphical glitches on Linux and at a higher framerate except it seems to look like it judders. I thought game hitches and stuff would be less likely especially the ones I get on the games ported to Linux (not Cemu, that uses Wine), considering that Linux is a much lighter OS than WIndows. I guess it's just something to do with the configuration since Linux has a much different way of being set up.
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Re: Linux

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It's a new feature to be able to play Windows games through Steam on Linux, Steam Play is a work in progress and it might just be that. I looked into the Wine thing and most of the time it's a hardware problem.
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Re: Linux

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If you guys play games on wine do they run smoothly? If they don't then that's fair enough considering they're not native games, but if not then it's just something mine is doing.

Proton sounds promising so long as I can somehow get everything else up and running. Freesync doesn't work either on the open source (Mesa) drivers as far as I'm aware and the proprietary drivers just suck.

I really like playing around with the Linux OS though, it's actually fun to experiment with :)

Edit: Cemu 1.12.0 works wonders :D
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Re: Linux

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I havn't played alot of games using Wine, I tried it on a few though and I noticed an increase on performance from Windows. But i will say at first I thought Linux was slower than Windows because I was using Ubuntu but once I switched to a lower resourced distro things got better.

I use 3 different browsers on Linux for different kinds of websites, some of these you guys might want to check out. Since I do specific types of sites on specific browsers the performance is greatly increased. Not saying you have to do it exactly like me, but one or mor eof these browser's might catch your attention.

Links 2 is my browser for reading articles, it is a command line browser that displays images by defult while other command line sites do not at all, (some do display images but not by defult), and it's great for going to sketchy websites if you just want to read articles. No javascript support (no pop ups and a little more secure). What makes it great is the instant load times that it has. I usually use it just for articles but since it does display images by defult you guys might find some other use of it. The 2nk browser I use is Netsurf. Usually when I use forum sites on Linux I use the NetSurf browser. Net Surf is very much like a mainstream browser but it doesn't support video content, it is great for forum sites and sites like Deviant Art. The perfect browser for just forum sites. Lastly Midori is my video streaming browser. So if I come across a video, I locate the link for it and open it in Midori just to play the video.
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