Talk:Mr Dark

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GBC version

Mr. Dark (the member) put WAY too much GBC stuff here. There's about twenty images of the Mr Dark fight from the GBC version, and the Final Fight paragraph treats the GBC version is if it's the REAL version. This is frickin' unacceptable.

  • First off, sign you posts plz, four tildes [~], simple as. I kinda agree there, there's LOADS of this, in fact I've been meaning to clean up some of the less important ones. -- RKartHead.gif StaceyW 16:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


Where does that name come from? I've never heard about it! —Hunchman801 22:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

In the Hoodlum article at the bottom of the page there's an interview with some guy. It claims his name is 'Darkman'. Iheckler9 07:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
It's an interview with Rayman 3's character designer. He gives Mr Dark and the hunter passing mentions when talking about his inspiration for the Hoodlums, and he happens to get Mr Dark's name wrong. I found the mistake somehow endearing, and I didn't think it appropriate to edit the man's words, so I put a [sic] after 'Darkman'. I found the interview on RaymanZone. linkSpiraldoor 13:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I've just realised that iHeckler added the name to Mr Dark's page – I thought this was the Talk:Hoodlum page! Hunch is right, the name doesn't belong here. It was a just a mistake by the interviewee, and he's never called 'Darkman' anywhere else. By no means is it to be taken as canon! —Spiraldoor 13:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

His HP in GBC

I noticed that the HP in the article is related to the original Rayman 1, but what about the GBC version? Shouldn't it be also listed?

I cannot determine exactly his resistance because he acts differently in this version, 1 HP? 3 HP? More?

Here's the link for quick reference:

--Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 15:57, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

He takes three times three hits, so 9 HP? —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 16:34, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Mr Dark has 9 HP in this version. At the beginning of the battle he conjures three bluish energy balls. He then attacks Rayman by raining small fireballs down on him, then curling up into a ball of electricity – this is when Rayman finally gets to attack him. Each punch causes Mr Dark to shrink down to a smaller ball; after three hits (3 HP), the first of the battle's three stages is over. Mr Dark appears at the top of the screen: he now has two bluish energy balls instead of three. The second stage involves larger fireballs, and the third (and final) one involves lightning strikes. Rayman must punch Mr Dark three times in each of the three stages – that adds up to a total of 9 HP, unless charging his fist has some effect on the fight (which I doubt). (I typed all of this before seeing Hunch's response, by the way.) —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 16:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
No, the charged fist doesn't increase damage. It only makes the fist go further. OK, I'll go with 9 HP too. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 16:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Image uploading error

I've been trying to upload an image (the one Matyuv took of Mr Dark in the trailer) but whenever I try it gives me the following error:

Could not create directory "temp/7/79".

Is anyone else experiencing this problem? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 14:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

It is happening the same thing to me. Huuuuunch? --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 15:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
It's the same for me. It's a problem for every image! —RaySpola 20:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
The problem should be solved now, I was able to upload the image: see File:Mrdarkteensie1.jpg. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 20:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevant picture

Even when Mr. Dark was beaten in the same level, I think this picture doesn't have anything to do with Mr. Dark himself:


The same image can be found in the Moons article, so there's no reason to repeat it. Also, some space is required, because there's a new image of Mr Dark (The one from Rayman Origins) that should be used as his new profile picture (because it's the newest). The place where it's situated right now deforms the wiki, so I'm going to replace the picture of Mr Dark using his binoculars with the new image from Rayman Origins, and then I'm going replace the irrelevant picture of the moons with the image of Mr Dark using his binoculars (so it won't get lost).--Sergiomonty 04:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm personally against the removal of this image, since I value the differences between versions a lot. In fact, before RayWiki was created, very little people knew of those differences, and none of them as much as we do now. I would appreciate other opinions though. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 20:35, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Hybrids vs transformations

Taking into account the final fight in the Jaguar version, do you think it's safe to assume that the three hybrid bosses fought by Rayman at the end of the game are indeed Mr Dark shifting his form? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 19:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't get it, how does that video demostrate that Mr Dark didn't use any trasformation? Anyway, I'm against that idea too, and I find it as a kind of stupid theory since we can clearly see two bosses at the same time (I'm talking about the Space Mama heads with with moskito bodies). --Sergiomonty 20:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand what's different in this version actually. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 20:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Me neither, I can't find any difference. --Sergiomonty 20:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I'll just quote my post in the Rayman 1 thread:
In the other versions, the three hybrids each have their own health bars (albeit each with Mr Dark’s face), and Rayman actually defeats all of them. In this version, the two hybrids share a single health bar, and when half of Skopsstone’s health is gone, he voluntarily walks off the screen and is replaced by the Moskito thing, which literally flies away of its own volition when it’s defeated. When you look at it all together (not to mention the fact that the Moskito Space Mamas literally share a health bar simultaneously, further suggesting they’re the same being), it definitely points towards Mr Dark as a shapeshifter – and I say this as someone who’s always assumed the hybrids to be creatures in their own right.
Drolpiraat agrees, and also points out that the boss seems to sweat and pant whenever his health runs low, as if he realises that his tactics are not working and decides he must try a different approach. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 21:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Good point. I've always understood the scene as Mr Dark transforming into hybrids of the previous bosses, not only due to the health bar but also because it simply made more sense to me. So, with further evidence supporting this thesis, I think it might be the occasion to clear things up in the article. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 23:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Well...since mr dark is actually you-know-who, it is possible. He can use his powers to even clone himself (and that would also explain the educational games...oopsies)--Sergiomonty 05:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Wait a second! I think changing the whole article like this is too dramatic. I kind of agree, but we just can't tell officially if those are transformations. Sure, they share a health bar, but isn't it possible that the health bar is for "Mr Dark's army" and there's no other way to explain that name than mr dark's face? Remember spiraldoor, it is still possible that he escaped. You can say it's a possibility, but don't change it like this because you think it's obvious. --Sergiomonty 15:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Anything is possible, but the implication is definitely that they're the same being. In the Jaguar version, Skopsstone and Moskito-Sax-Mama are literally the only two enemies in the game that flee rather than get defeated. That has to signify something. What do you think the sweating is supposed to mean, if they're just 'Mr Dark's army'? Why does the final hybrid fly into the air if he's some sort of separate being created by Mr Dark – are you saying he's still out there somewhere, flying around? What other explanation is there for the phenomenon of *two Space Mama heads and Moskito bodies appearing at the same time*, if not that they're simply an illusory formation taken by Mr Dark? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 15:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay then, but I'm still not convinced enough... --Sergiomonty 18:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back. I seriously can't agree with the direction that this article is taking. Since the Magician has been proven to be something different from Mr Dark, the previous discussion is irrelevant at this point. We can still suggest this Hybrid-vs-Transformation as a very valid theory, but not just state it like it's obvious, because it isn't. There's a health bar that could simply mean Mr Dark's resources, even if previous bosses had a health bar. There's still no explanation to the two Moskito Mammas, and talking about clonation would be going way too far into speculation. So far, opinions about this have been divided in RPC, so I suggest to change the explanation of the boss battle into something more concrete, and then comment that the Atari Jaguar version suggests that those hybrids were in fact Mr Dark himself. Not just say "THIS IS A FACT" and call it a day.--Sergiomonty (talk) 07:22, 30 September 2013 (CEST)

Mr Dark vs the Magician

All right, we've got a problem here. Rayman Origins does not make it clear who the villain is. I can see three possibilities, all of which are supported to various degrees by the game itself, the manual and site, and the early script:

  • Mr Dark is impersonating the Magician.
  • The Magician is impersonating Mr Dark.
  • Mr Dark and the Magician were the same character all along.

Contradictory edits are flooding in from various people, all of whom seem to be convinced that their interpretation is correct. I've been reverting them to keep the article neutral, but we can't keep this up forever. What should we do? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 18:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite sure Mr Dark is the Magician... This seems the most simple and reasonable explanation to me. The impersonation thing seems to be a bit complex.
Easy Race RK.PNG RaySpola Hard Race RK.PNG 21:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
The impersonation theory does sound complex, but it's also what the developers originally intended. If you look closely at the wall of the Magician's office, you'll see that it's plastered with posters of Mr Dark, including two with big hearts above his name. These pictures make Mr Dark look very different from a Teensy, with an almost triangular hat and long, spindly arms. Dialogue in the early script outright reveals that the Magician was always a secret admirer of Mr Dark, and always wanted to be like him. Maybe the fact that the developers removed this dialogue at the last minute should be taken to mean it's non-canon, and maybe the fact that they left in the posters should be taken to mean it's not so non-canon after all. It's all a bit of a mess, and it's certainly not cut-and-dried. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 13:07, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Well, the manual says that he's the Magician, so we can totally discard the first option. I have a temporal solution to this problem: "the Magician pulls out the star from his hat, and reveals himself as Mr Dark. However there are several debates about the Magician being Mr Dark, as an early script of the game reveals that during earlier development the Magician was intended to make just an impersonation of him during the whole events of Rayman Origins, being just a fan of his mysterious and evil behavior. Is unknown is this fact was scrapped like various other elements from the script, as it's not refered in the game with the exception of a few references in the walls of the headquarter with pictures of Mr Dark's silhouette and a poster saying "Mr D" with a heart on it."
Ok... what do you think?--Sergiomonty 23:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
It's possible that the manual is part of the deception. If it turns out at the end of the game that Mr Dark is really the Magician (or vice versa), they're hardly going to spoil that in the manual. The original Metroid's manual deliberately referred to Samus Aran as a 'he' because Samus turning out to be a girl is the end-game twist; it could be a similar situation here. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 13:07, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Then that makes possible that the website is lying too, as there are many character that didn't appear in the game and are still mentioned. However, I think that my solution is okay, and it doesn't support any of our suppositions, it's just a neutral point. what do you think, spiraldoor? shall we put that on the wiki?--Sergiomonty 00:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we can brush this aside that easily. It's not just a matter of putting a little disclaimer in the Magician article; the identity of the villain determines a lot of things, like which page we'll describe the final battle on, and how the two characters will be categorised, and whether we can continue to use the image you put at the top of the Mr Dark page. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 14:20, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

But it's better than just leaving the article like this. We can only use the official sources that we have, those being both the website and the manual. A lot of material from the script was scrapped, so we can say it's not a legit source at all. If we are able to get more information later, we can change the article, so there's no problem. I'll try to edit the article later. I'll be as neutral as possible. --Sergiomonty 16:27, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
The key word here is facts. In the absence of any clearly predominant interpretation, I am afraid we will have to enunciate all facts and then list the possible interpretations. The game came out a couple weeks ago, and there is still a lot of work to be done on Rayman Origins-related articles not counting this subject, so we should take some more time to think about it before we do anything. We can, however, decide which pages will feature which information. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 22:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
These are facts. One fact is that the script says that the Magician is Mr Dark's fan. One fact is that this is not suggested in the game. One fact is that the launch site confirms the artwork to be the real Mr Dark from Rayman 1, who stole the Great Protoon. One fact is that the Magician pulls out his star, showing more resamblance with the artwork. If we were doing interpretations, we would say "The Magician is revealed Mr Dark's alter-ego", or "Mr Dark disguises as the Magician during the whole game", and we are not doing that. We are doing our best trying to create a neutral article, full of facts, avoiding any interpretation to change anyone's opinion. Don't worry about it.--Sergiomonty 02:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that The Magician has a different hat than Mr Dark's own version. The Magician's hat (the one you jump on to get hints) is a lot more straight than Mr Dark's crooked Magician hat. I thought someone else would see the difference. -- Saffronrose 19:19, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, I don't think that's something important at all. Possibly two different artists made each hat, or they made the in-game hat thicker to make it easy to jump on. However, if we're talking about the "Magician's hat", then that information shouldn't be posted on Mr Dark's article, as it doesn't have anything to do with Mr Dark.--Sergiomonty 19:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
At this stage I'm almost totally convinced that the Magician is simply an admirer of Mr Dark. The turning point came when I finally got the game and noticed that it contained no references to Mr Dark being the source of the invasion (which I had previously thought was the case). The information from the official site is reproduced in the manual, but the part about Mr Dark was removed, and so were the similarly erroneous sections about piranhas and Soldier insects. The mistake about Jano being Polokus was also corrected. I can only conclude that the site wasn't proof-read or fact-checked, allowing some incorrect information and an out-of-date picture of 'Mr Dark' to slip in. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 13:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
That's the exact point I've written in the RPC after beating the game by myself. I also believe the Magician is just an admirer of Mr. Dark, not only due to the way the Reveal cutscene was made in terms of body language, but also by the inexistence of direct evidences for the contrary. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 15:55, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
We can say that the guy in this artwork is totally Mr Dark Char-mr-dark.png, because the website describes him as the original Mr Dark from Rayman 1. Mr Dark's body is thinner than the Magician's, has enormous feet and wears a black robe instead of purple; the star pull-off may just represent that he just wanted to become like him. The fake wig on his head also may be an indirect symbol of his fanaticism (remember? he was blonde before!). If you look carefully, Mr Dark's body looks a lot like the Photographer's CrazyPhotographer-info-1.png, possibly due an early design for the teensies: bigger eyes, bigger hands and feet, thinner bodies, and stylized noses. It is possible that both were scrapped when the game became a sequel. Mr Dark supposedly died in the GBC version of Rayman 2, anyway...--Sergiomonty 22:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Correction: GBC version of Rayman 1. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 23:24, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
If you look closely at that 'Mr Dark' character's nose, you'll see that it bears a dark zig-zig which is exactly the same as the one on the Magician's nose, which, combined with the similar hair, hat and general appearance pretty much confirms that it's just the Magician in disguise. Most of the Teensies in the game have slightly quirky noses with unique little patterns on them; the Grand Minimus has smooth spirals, the fire Teensy has jagged spirals, the zombie Teensy has skull markings. I think the information on the site is a simple mistake, or maybe a holdover from an earlier version of the game, like the Soldiers or the piranhas. That's why no trace of it remains in the manual. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 13:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you saying that the picture of 'Mr Dark' is possibly an early artwork of him before the game stopped being a sequel? Because I would believe that; In fact, it is very notable that the developers created the Magician based on the scrapped artwork of Mr Dark. Tons of materials from the website look more based on the prequel than the final game itself. By the way, I checked if it was a mistake (just like the Polokus/Jano alter-ego issues) and it isn't, in every language, even french, it says that the guy on the artwork is Mr Dark from Rayman 1. I want some opinions here: can we change "The mysterious villain of Rayman Origins" to "Early artwork of Mr Dark, subsequently used to redesign the Magician".?--Sergiomonty 03:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
It's not necessarily from when the game was a prequel – it could could still be from the sequel era. Maybe they originally planned to have this 'Mr Dark' appear and taunt Rayman throughout the game, only to be unmasked as the Magician at the end, which is where the 'I always wanted to be like Mr Dark' dialogue would occur. Referring to him as 'Mr Dark' on the site could have been part of a deception, like the above example of the original Metroid manual referring to Samus as a male. If I'm right, they may have scrapped this because they didn't want the storyline to be too confusing or too dependent on knowledge of the other games, or they may not have wanted to disappoint players by leading them to believe Mr Dark was in the game, only to reveal at the last minute that it wasn't him. The storyline that survives into the game itself is much more straightforward: the Magician turns bad, with no confusing disguises involved. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 13:48, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an easier plot so Mr.Dark escapes the land of the livid dead (since the magician done his bit by adding a microphone)next he disguises himself as the magician and collect lums then caught he takes of his disguise and pulls a lever next he runs and jumps on a warship and KABOOM now it leads to this this question did he survive --Leon 09:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

And suddenly Wikipedia is God. --iHeckler9Life.gif 19:08, 30 March 2012 (CEST)

Mr. Dark: Root Of All Evil?

Alright, here's my theory on things. Tell me if I should move this to the main forum.

  • In Shoot for the Stars, Mr. Dark jumps off of a cliff and lands on a Warship piloted by Hunters and Lividstones. Now, if the Lividstones and Hunters were hostile, they would surely disapprove of a stranger boarding their ship and giving them orders to attack a stranger on Moskitoback and would attempt to kill him. Because they don't, it can only be assumed that they have an alliance, and the msot obvious alliance I can think of is that the Hunters and Lividstones work for Mr. Dark. With me so far?
  • A bit of trivia: In Pirate's Treasure!, once the Tricky Treasure sees Rayman, it jumps onto the Lividstone's Warship. For the same reason as above, if the Lividstone didn't want the Tricky Treasure on the Warship, it would have chased it off. (It could just be that the Tricky Treasure wanted a platform to land on, but it is so sure in its movements that it simply wouldn't jump into a hostile Warship.) Thus, following the logic that the Lividstones work for the Hunters, and the Hunters work for Mr. Dark, Mr. Dark has some sort of control over Tricky Treasures, and may even be their creator. More on this later.
  • Now, this is where it gets complicated. In Port 'O Panic, the Darktoon that has Annetta Fish in its mouth jumps onto a Warship. The logic above explains that if the Lividstones did not like it, they would have disposed of it in some way. Because they didn't, Mr. Dark must have some power over Darktoons.
  • Jano, Bubble Dreamer's alter ego, produces Darktoons like cows make milk. As I've explained, Mr. Dark has some power over Darktoons. It can either be two things: They could be scared of him, or, Jano and Mr. Dark are in alliance (but we don't know which one is stronger in power) and when Rayman went on his quest to find a bunch of Electoons, Mr. Dark, in effect, became the Magician.
  • The Fakirs, as you might know, have an odd habit of sacrificing peas to help get Polokus back to normal again. Why do the Fakirs have Darktoons on their heads in the first place? Because Mr. Dark doesn't want to get Bubble Dreamer back to normal, and possibly wants to overthrow him, just like in the script.
  • Coming back to a previous point is stressful, so here's a joke. What's black and white and has no red? The Grim Reaper. Who do you think beat him up? Rayman wants to go into the Land of the Livid Dead to sort out Big Mama, but only one person, the same person that changed Big Mama into a monster, is trying to stop Rayman get in. If Mr. Dark did indeed make the Tricky Treasures, then he must want to protect the Skull Teeth inside, so Rayman cannot get in.
  • I'm running out of ideas, but...In the opening sequence of the game, Polokus blows bubbles with characters inside and they pop. We know that Polokus creates stuff out of his bubbles, and at the very end he blows a monster Daisy bubble. But wait, why would he dream about that?
  • The Granny in the intro orders the Psychlopses and Darktoons to attack the heroes. The Grannies have some control over Darktoons and Psychlopses. The Darktoons and Psychlopses are both the same colour and in the opening they are all seen together underground, as a massive family. When they all start screaming, there's loads of them as well. The Darktoons are a species. When the First Bad Dream happened, the Four Kings transformed into monsters, and so did Big Mama. If you remember, it wasn't Polokus who caused it, technically it was Jano. Because Jano and Mr Dark are allies, Jano and Mr. Dark probably agreed to transform the Four Kings into monsters to kill Rayman and seal the portal to Moody Clouds, so Mr. Dark could get ready for his attack on Polokus. Thus: Mr. Dark is the root of all evil.

Thanks for your time. --iHeckler9Life.gif 08:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

This kind of open-ended speculative discussion would probably do better in the forum. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 15:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Spiral, but in fact those are pertinent theories. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 17:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Indeed, many of the theories given are solid enough to be mentioned on the wiki. However, I have to disagree with...well... a little piece of nothing that doesn't change anything; it was confirmed sometime ago that Polokus and Jano aren't the same character, it was just a traslation issue on the english website. Also, it is possible that Darktoons, although being created by Jano, can do what they want, and join the evil force in which they feel confortable, for example, some may join Mr Dark/The Magician, while some may join the Livid Dead. If the Magician really had an alliance with ALL of the Darktoons, why would he have to use a dirty trick like a hidden microphone to start a war between Rayman and the Darktoons, if he only needed to call his darktoon army to attack them directly?--Sergiomonty 18:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Maybe he wanted the Granny to do some of the work whilst Mr Dark started building Moody Clouds? --iHeckler9Life.gif 18:09, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Mr Dark sending a Granny to kill Rayman? that's... crude.--Sergiomonty 18:24, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey, it's possible. --iHeckler9Life.gif 18:36, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Was it neccesary to use the microphone? If they were allies he would simply go and ask her for help--Sergiomonty 18:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Maybe the Granny needed to be provoked and the microphone was the only way of hearing them. Maybe they were listening to their every sound and they just fell asleep and started snoring. Maybe Mr Dark didn't plan for the snoring to annoy them. --iHeckler9Life.gif 19:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
And maybe that's not Mr Dark at all. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 19:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
True, true. By the way, Mr Dark or not, that doesn't proof that the Darktoons at the opening cinematic worked for him, and the theory of the granny and the microphone sounds very hypothetical. As Spiraldoor said before, Darktoons are just bad guys, they don't seem to have any main ruler, you can see that in Rayman 2. The Magician is a weak guy and a jerk, people bullied him during childhood, so he doesn't seem to have any control over the nightmarish creatures; in fact, his plan IS to destroy those nightmarish creatures with his gigantic machines, remember? that's written on the script. If every lividstone in the game worked for the Magician, why would they want to destroy Rayman if the Magician wants Rayman alive? If Rayman dies, there won't be Lums for the Magician. Also, why would the Magician want Rayman to attack his own army just to get back the Lums that he already had? that's redundant and selfdestructive. It is possible that the Magician just hired three Lividstones and a Hunter for his escape; it's nothing special. --Sergiomonty 22:22, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Wasn't Mr. Dark trying to destroy Polokus in the script? --iHeckler9Life.gif 09:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, because Polokus is responsible of those nightmares, remember?--Sergiomonty 03:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
No, Jano was. --iHeckler9Life.gif 10:17, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Wait, as far as I'm aware Jano is only responsible for the Darktoons. There are no direct evidences that Jano created other things. Plus, it is mentioned that it is Polokus' nightmares who create the corrupted versions of the Four Kings. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 12:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Start of the game, a sane Bubble Dreamer blows out a monster Daisy bubble. Why does he willingly give the heroes another monster to fight? Also, Polokus' nightmare form is Jano, so Jano created the monster Kings. --iHeckler9Life.gif 15:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Did you read my edit earlier? Jano is NOT another form of Polokus; that was a translation error. As for the scene at the beginning of the game, it clearly isn't meant to be taken literally, as it shows him bubbling Betilla and the Magician out of his pipe, even though we know they had both existed long before that. It's just to demonstrate Polokus's power/position to the player by showing that he is bubble-dreaming everything into existence. If you want an in-story explanation, you could say that he's dreaming about characters he's already created. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 15:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

i think Mr.Dark's the main villain of the entire series --Leon 09:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

That's the nice thing about fan-fiction: you can think whatever you want. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 13:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
It would been better if you ignored the quote. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 14:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh God, not him again. --iHeckler9Life.gif 08:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Finally the truth

Mr. Dark is not the Magician... I asked Gabrielle Shrager (one member of the staff) for an explanation and she answered: "He's a Teensy usurper! A huge fan of Mr. Dark ( did u see the illustrations in his secret hide out? There's an I love mr dark poster somewhere." If you don't trust me then I can show you an image... :) —Easy Race RK.PNG RaySpola Hard Race RK.PNG 16:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Mind=blown —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 17:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I think we already reached that conclusion since a long time ago. Sources of her reply, please? --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 18:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I was more taken aback by the communication itself than the information contained in it. Anyway – did you meet Gabrielle Shrager in person, or was it an email exchange? We already know that the Magician is a Mr Dark fan, but some concrete proof would be great. I'd also like to correct the Wikipedia articles, which are woefully misleading, but have strict standards about citations. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 18:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I send her a message in facebook... Here's the pic Race RK.PNG RaySpola Hard Race RK.PNG 09:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
That's great to see; now we can stop being so vague in the articles and just tell it like it is. But it might be a good idea not to broadcast this on the forums – once people find out that Shrager answers messages, I just know they're going to swarm her, and that's not what we want ( it?). —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 12:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
RaySpola, thank you very much 8D! Not only for asking Shrager, but also to show us the proof that she replied you. At least we can officially confirm what me and others speculated before: the Teensie is indeed a Mr. Dark admirer. This is great. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 13:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks... Anyway it's better that the picture remains only in the Raywiki I think... —Easy Race RK.PNG RaySpola Hard Race RK.PNG 13:48, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I would not recommend either to post in the forums, for the exact reasons that Spiral pointed. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 15:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Could it be Mr. Dark?


Under this image and in the article, I read that this character has been identified has the Magician disguised as Mr. Dark.

Well... I know about the fact that Ales Mansay is the bad guy of Rayman Origins and that he is an admirer of Mr. Dark. And I agree with that.

But... What prove that this Teensie is the Magician? (Apart a similar hair style... or wig)

I mean, as Sergiomonty said, this image is used to illustrate the article of Mr. Dark on the official website of Rayman Origins. We know that it was planned that Mr. Dark appears in the game, when it was a prequel to the first Rayman game. But, like for the Soldiers and the Piranhas, this article haven't been removed from the site after the change of the story.

So, why this character couldn't be Mr. Dark himself?-- Boomboleros7 16:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

In the early Rayman Origins it should be him, but since he was ultimately scrapped, this image is a scrapped picture aswell. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 17:53, 21 December 2012 (CET)
Absolutely. But if this character is really Mr. Dark, I think that this image, although it's a scrapped picture, proves us something:
When the developers have decided to bring Mr. Dark in the game, they have decided to change his appearance, because he was a limbless being, like the other characters from the first game.
And, as for the Magician and the Photographer, they have decided to "turn him" into a Teensie.
Shouldn't we speak about this project in the article?-- Boomboleros7 23:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Although that's the most probable reason that lead the RO Mr. Dark to have a redesign, I don't think its strictally necessary to mention it in the wiki, I believe people do the link easily. Unless the other members in the staff do think it should be contained, then I'll align ultimately. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 12:15, 22 December 2012 (CET)