Talk:Rayman 4 (2005 cancelled prototype)

Fake game

iHeckler9 here.

A friend at school says that he has Rayman 4. It involves a blue Murfy apparently and there were only three given out in England. Is this true or bullcrap?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Iheckler9 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 9 November 2010

Go over to his house and ask if you can see the game. If he shows you the game, it is real. If he gives you an excuse, it is not. —Spiraldoor 18:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds more like that Russian GBA bootleg. -- StaceyW ♬ 20:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I can't go round his house to see the game because he says the game's still in Peterborough, in his old house. He says it has a lot of racing in it, but denies it is Rayman M.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Iheckler9 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 11 November 2010

The game's 'in his old house'? How very convenient. He's lying. —Spiraldoor 19:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

New concept art

The recent discovery of many pieces of Rayman 4 concept art is a great thing and we have to add them all to the wiki. Spiral has already uploaded some of them, but I am really annoyed by the coloured canvases surrounding those found on Emeline Bellemin's blog. In addition to being atrociously ungraceful, they are not compatible with our image quality requirements. The problem is that, except for the Arbre-Chantier, where this one is 'taller' and 'thinner', and the Forteresse de Sable, where this one is much larger, the canvassed images have a higher resolution than the non-canvassed. So, what can we do? Ask the owner of the blog if the images are available without the canvas? Edit the canvas out (but the borders of the image might be lost)?

Also, despite appearing on Bellemin's portfolio, the Forteresse de Sable artwork seems to have been created by Le Pon and Godeau, so how does Bellemin relate to the other pieces of artwork?— 12:15, 18 April 2012 (CEST)

Maybe we could ask to the author of the blog to share high-resolution pictures? Maybe the author would understand and share us. --Haruka 13:32, 18 April 2012 (CEST)

In retrospect it was probably a mistake to attempt to separate the images into a different gallery for each artist. I think we should just have one big gallery, preceded by a paragraph where we list and briefly discuss the contributions of each artist. (Of course, we'll still group each artist's work together.) I'd also consider changing the gallery/galleries to table format, so that the images can be displayed at a higher resolution.

Should we split this article into Rayman 4 (cancelled prototype) for the Phoenix Interactive game and Rayman Raving Rabbids (early development) for the Ubisoft Montpellier game? It's become clear that this wasn't a gradual evolution, but a drastic shift from one game to another, with few (if any) elements carried over from one studio to the next. RRR1 GBA mixed elements of R4 Phoenix and R4 Montpellier together, giving the impression that they were closely related, which now seems not to be the case. —Spiraldoor 18:57, 18 April 2012 (CEST)

I like the idea. I also wouldn't want to discard any of the pictures that were found, even if the borders don't look appropriate for the Wiki structure or not. --Haruka 20:10, 18 April 2012 (CEST)

Now that I've had a while longer to think about it, maybe we should split the Phoenix part of the article into Rayman 4 (Phoenix Interactive). Making Phoenix's name an intrinsic part of the wikilinks would help to spead understanding of the 'two Rayman 4s' situation throughout the internets. Now I'm trying to decide whether Rayman 4 (Ubisoft Montpellier) would be better than Rayman Raving Rabbids (early production)... —Spiraldoor 21:47, 18 April 2012 (CEST)

Why not? I guess it looks more coerent than the early production one. --Haruka 23:40, 18 April 2012 (CEST)

It is true that both games seem very different, despite being somehow merged in RRR GBA. Splitting the article might be a good idea, but I'm not convinced by the suggested titles so far; I'll get back to you as soon as I've given it enough thought.

As concerns the images, what if the artist doesn't reply? I believe editing the canvases out is the only solution. — 12:44, 19 April 2012 (CEST)

Sure, but I think the pictures with the canvases shouldn't be lost either. --Haruka 15:59, 19 April 2012 (CEST)

Emeline Bellemin has already replied to your comment. [1] She said that she doesn't have copies of the images without the borders, and seemed to be a little perplexed by the question. It might be a good idea to explain the situation to her: the fans have just discovered her Rayman artwork, they like it very much, and they would love to have more information or artwork (or better versions of the artwork already revealed). —Spiraldoor 17:39, 19 April 2012 (CEST)

I replied already. I'll probably contact Le Pon as well. As concerns the splitting of the article, I cannot find a reason not to do it. I suggest we leave the first game at Rayman 4 (cancelled prototype), while we move the second one to Rayman Raving Rabbids (cancelled prototype), with Rayman Raving Rabbids (early developement) redirecting to the former. The reason I prefer 'cancelled prototype' over 'early developement' derives from the fact that we are referring to a totally different game, like the 2D Rayman 2 but unlike the early times of the original game (even though the SNES version would deserve an article if we had more information about it). Come to think about it, I also believe Rayman 2 (2D prototype) should be moved to Rayman 2 (cancelled prototype). — 12:22, 20 April 2012 (CEST)

It's worth noting that 'Rayman 4' was also the official working title of the Raving Rabbids platformer. If the title change came close to the time development shifted to the minigame fest, 'Rayman Raving Rabbids' might not be the most accurate name for the platformer. —Spiraldoor 14:19, 20 April 2012 (CEST)

And this is exactly the main problem I had with these names. The press release, issued when the game was clearly still meant to be a platformer (or at least an adventure game), gives its name as Rayman Raving Rabbids, so the change did not coincide with the decision to make it a party game. However, I can't remember when the game was ever referred to as Rayman 4; after all, wasn't the project discovered when the name Rayman Raving Rabbids was trademarked (I'm far from sure but that's all I can remember right now)? If this is the case, then we need proof that this game was, at some point, meant to be Rayman 4: such evidence could justify the use of the names 'Rayman 4 (first cancelled prototype)' and 'Rayman 4 (second cancelled prototype)' for the aforementioned articles. — 17:22, 20 April 2012 (CEST)

I have a couple of instances where Ancel refers to Montpellier's Raving Rabbids game as 'Rayman 4'. [2] [3] The 'Rayman Raving Rabbids' name being trademarked doesn't necessarily mean that they intended it to be the name at that stage; maybe it was just one of several possibilities. —Spiraldoor 14:59, 22 April 2012 (CEST)

Improve article

The quality and structure of this article is very confusing and seems to mix up several of the canceled 3D Rayman games, and not mentioning some of them (such as the 2013 game). Looking at the French version of the same article it appears that one is structured a lot better, having a separate section for each game. It's also made more clear there that all of these games weren't necessarily named Rayman 4, but since we don't have an official name that is the best way to name it (considering it can be seen as a sequel to Rayman 3).

So what I'd like to suggest is for the English article to more or less be rewritten, perhaps with the French version as a template, to both avoid further confusion, but also to add missing information.

On the same topic, there appears to be a lack of documentation of recent discoveries, such as from the recently leaked prototypes, which have provided us with both more development history and story concepts. -- 10:15, 27 February 2024 (CET)

I concur; this page mixes up information about several canceled games and lacks recently discovered information about some of them. Using the French page as a template is a good idea too: we could then rename this one "Rayman 4 (cancelled prototypes)". Last but not least, this would be a good opportunity to enrich the article with references and missing artwork where applicable. — 14:24, 2 March 2024 (CET)